God Hater

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It seems that some of the folks at Hot Air took umbrage with my use of the term God Hater in the Hukster post.  They even put the quote on their headlines page. 

The question they raise is this:  Can an atheist, who does not believe in God at all, be considered a ‘God Hater.’  I am a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ and while I understand the confusion, my definition in this spiritual matter must come from the Bible.  Philosophy may be the queen of all the sciences, but she still has a Lord.

If you have another God besides the Triune God of the Bible then God describes you as a God hater.

Ex 20:3-6

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image — any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Jesus said that there are two classes of people, those who are His and those who are “of the world.”  This is the great antitheses of the bible.  Jesus said this about those who are not His (atheists would be in the group, no?):

John 15:18,19

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.  19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.  

Then in verses 23- of John 15 the Lord said, 

 23 He who hates Me hates My Father also.  24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.  25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’ 

Now, the atheist believes himself safe from judgement in all this, both from man and God, after all if they believe God does not exist how that that God hold him/her accountable.  But, let me just say that God knows their heart and He also knows that they are without excuse.

Rom 1:18-19

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Let me urge my atheist readers (are there any?) to repent of their sin and believe on Jesus Christ.  He is the way the truth and the life.  No one comes unto the Father but by him.

al sends

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9 Responses to “God Hater”

  1. scaryreasoner Says:

    You can urge all you want, the problem is Christianity simply is not plausible. What it is, to those lucky enough not to have been brainwashed into it, is laughable. Sorry, don’t mean to offend, that’s just the way it is. If you want to get atheists to believe in Jesus, you have to actually convince them that it’s true. Which is pretty tough, since Christianity isn’t about convincing, it’s about faith. Atheists do not see faith as a virtue, we see it as a failing, as a con man’s trick, a way to get you to concentrate on the act of believing instead of what it is that you’re believing. Read the Bible. That is the single best way to stop being a Christian.

  2. Al Says:

    Hey Scary… Read it… Still a Christian, in fact it is why I am a Christian. I understand your animosity and am not offended. I was you in my 20s.

    The point of my post stands though. If you deny the God of the Bible then you are a hater of God. It will not be enough for you on your day of judgment to cry out, “no one convinced me!”

    The fact of God is inescapable. The question is which God you will serve.

    al sends

  3. davidbryant Says:

    Scaryreasoner,
    I find it interesting that you refer to virtue in your comment. One of the many reasons I am not an atheist is that given your assumption that there is no God, I would have no reason whatever to believe, as you do, that there is something as rooted in an absolute moral order as “virtue.” How could there be such an esoteric thing as “virtue” when reality is just random collocations of atoms bumping into other random collocations of atoms? I would believe that there was the exercise of power and not much else. And yes, though an atheist, I would still believe because it is quite unavoidable.

    One of the many reasons I am a Christian is the way that the biblical worldview accounts for virtue, vice, and consequences for both. A world in which there is reason or virtue but not the Lord Jesus Christ is not only quite scary but illogical.

  4. scaryreasoner Says:

    If you’re interested in finding out what’s true, faith is not a virtue, in that it is essentially deciding to be more certain about some proposition than the available evidence warrants.

    In that respect it is inescapably dishonest. If you decide to be excessively certain — have faith — who are you fooling except yourself.

    As for morals, you’re fooling yourself if you thing Christianity or any religion offers absolutes. You may have decided they’re absolutes, but how did you arrive at that conclusion? By entirely relative means. Your absolutes rest on a relative foundation.

    And don’t pull the age shit. I’m probably older than you are.

  5. thomastwitchell Says:

    “they believe God does not exist”

    This is actually an inaccurate statement. Athiest are not agnostic. An agnostic can be of two flavors, one who believes that there is a god, and does not know, and one who believe there is not a god and does not know. That is why there are no true atheists. For one to exist he would have to not just logically demonstrate it, he would have to evidentiarilly demonstrate it. Two things stand in their way. One, by their own concession it is a matter of faith, a transcendant reality, a meta-physical reality. Since they are physical and presuppose that there is not meta-physical reality they cannot test it outside their box even with sound logic, for the the logic they use, by their own standard is physical, non-transcendant reality. Second, since they are physically bound, they believe in demonstratable truths in terms of scientific validation, experimentally. To do that they would have to weigh the emensity of the universe, know its base line mass and account for any discrepancy, which they would postulate does not exist.

    In the end the Scripture is proven truth. A fool says in his heart there is not god because a fool speaks before he has heard the end of a matter ( or to pun it, the end of matter). Jesus said, He who is not for me is against me. Propositional truth, number one is if God is for us, who can be against us. If we are for Him, then he is against those who hate us for his names sake is its compliment.

    There are no athiests, just confused people who haven’t a clue as to how to answer the question: is there a God? They say no, but have no proof, but demand proof of those who have hope. And when they ask and it is given them, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, they reject the evidence that is presented, which is that if they are believing then they are saved but if they are not, they are condemned already. When they say that that is believing in believing and we tell them, no, one cannot believe in that which is not known, for a man must be born again before he can believe, they respond that they believe their is no god, yet they do not know, so it is evident that they are not born again or they would. So, by their own testimony they condemn themselves as liars, and acknowledge God as true, since that which can be known is known by those who testify to it. But, they testify to that which they cannot know. And that is a lie.

  6. Al Says:

    Scary… my we are touchy aren’t we… I did not say anything about your age only my own. Simply because I was a fool at 20 does not mean that you cannot be a fool at whatever age you are now. Rest easy.

    al sends

  7. scaryreasoner Says:

    “This is actually an inaccurate statement. Athiest are not agnostic.”

    No, that’s inaccruate.

    Agnisticism has to do with what is knowable.

    Atheism has to do with what is believed (or not believed).

    It is perfectly possible to be an agnostic atheist — a person who lacks belief in any gods, and thinks it is not possible to know if there are any gods.

    Agnosticism and atheism are orthogonal.

  8. scaryreasoner Says:

    thomaswitchell, you do not know anything about atheism, as is obvious by what you write. Educate yourself, man.

  9. thomastwitchell Says:

    Agnosticism has to to with what is knowable. Eh, a- without, or not, gnosis, knowledge. Agnosticism is what it is, you can change the meaning all you want if it makes you feel good. Atheism, is a non-belief system. Agnosticism has to to with what is not knowable, it does not know that it cannot know nor does it know that it can, that is why it is called agnosticism. Atheism has to do with what is knowable, and claims absolute knowledge that there is no a- god theos.

    Really scaryreasoner, you are without reason and that is scary. Tell us again how someone can not know there is not a god and know there is not a god, at the same time. Again please, explain to us that A is non A at the same time under the same conditions. They are incompatible, and you possibly know it, but since there are no absolutes, in your economy, you cannot really claim that you can know anything, right? And, I covered the possibility of your claim under agnosticism see type II. What you stated was just a variant, but not unique.

    Orthogonal say you, different realities say I.

    If you only think it is not possible, then, is your though, a mere belief, and not certainty. And it if is not certain, and you do not know it absolutely, then there is a possibility that you wrong. You can assert, I assert what we know in our heads. What you cannot do, and what I cannot do is prove what is there to each other. What I believe and what you believe are two different things and the fact that it is separated by the vail of mysticism, what you or I believe or think about the existence of God, does not make that existence either possible or impossible. Until you can devise an experiment to demonstrate externally that there is not a God, I will have to hold you to your own standard. I do not care to prove to you the existence of God. That he is is in accordance to Him, not my belief. And, you cannot desuade me from what I know. Prove to me I do not know it.

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